John De Segrave and Margaret Plantagenet

John De Segrave and Margaret Plantagenet

John De Segrave was the son of John/Stephen De Segrave and Alice FitzAlan

He was born about 1316 in Norfolk, England and died 1 April 1353. He succeeded his father in 1325 as 4th Lord Segrave. He married about 1337-38 to Margaret Plantagenet, daughter of Thomas of Brotherton Plantagenet, Earl of Norfolk & his first wife Alice Halys.

John De Segrave and Margaret Plantagenet had the following children:

1.Edmund de Segrave, died in infancy
2.Elizabeth de Segrave (1338-1368) m. John De Mowbray
3.John de Segrave (1340-1349)
4.Anne de Segrave, Abbess of Barking



A synopsis of the peerage of England: exhibiting, under alphabetical ...‎ - Page 585
by Sir Nicholas Harris Nicolas - 1825

1325. 6 John de Segrave, grandson and heir, being son and heir of Stephen de Segrave (ob. v.p.) eldest son of the last Baron; Summ. To Parliament from 29 Nov. 10 Edward III 1336, to 15 Nov. 25 Edward III 1351; he married Margaret Plantagenet, dau. And eventually sole heir of King Edward I; ob. 1353, S.P.M. Elizabeth, his sole daughter and heir married John IV-10 Baron Mowbray, whose son Thomas was created Duke of Norfolk, in which, title this Barony, together with that of Mowbray, continued merged until the death of John IV-4th Duke of Norfolk, when they devolved on his daughter and heir, Ann, on whose death, S.P., the descendants of Margaret and Isabel, sisters of John II-2nd Duke of Norfolk, became her heirs, between whose representatives....


A genealogical history of the dormant, abeyant, forfeited, and extinct ...‎ - Page 485
by Sir Bernard Burke – 1866

John De Segrave, 3rd baron, summoned to parliament, from 29 November 1336, to 15 November, 1351. This nobleman appears, like his predecessors, a distinguished personage in the field, during his comparatively short career; for he did not live beyond the age of thirty-eight. In the wars of France and Scotland, temp. Edward III, he took an active part, and was more than once retained to serve the king by an indenture. His lordship made an illustrious alliance in marrying the Lady Margaret Plantagenet, dau., and eventually sole heiress of Thomas de Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk, Marshall of England, younger son of King Edward I; by this lady he left, at his decease, in 1353, an only dau. And heiress, Elizabeth, who m. John de Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray, and had issue, John, 5th Lord Mowbray...; Thomas, 6th Lord Mowbray...; Isabel, m. 1st to Sir Henry Ferrers, 2nd Edward Grey; Margaret, m to Sir Robert Howard;


The royal descent of Nelson and Wellington from Edward the First, King of ...‎ - Page 62
by George Russell French - 1853

“Thomas of Brotherton's daughter, Margaret, Duchess of Norfolk, after the death of her husband, Lord Segrave, married the famous Sir Walter Manny, Knight banneret, and K.G. And so celebrated a warrior that at the siege of Calais, both Edward the Third and his gallant son, the Black Prince, did not disdain to fight as simple knights under the banner of so renowned a captain, whose valour was only equalled by his humanity. The issue of this marriage was an only surviving daughter, Anne, who married John Hastings, second Earl of Pembroke, and their only son, John Hastings, third earl died without issue.”

“The Segraves were eminent in their day; John de Segrave, the first husband of Margaret Plantagenet, was son of Stephen de Segrave (ob.vit. Patris) and Alice Arundel, and grandson of John de Segrave, second Baron Segrave, who was much engaged in the Scottish wars of Edward the First, and acted as Marshal to the English host at the siege of Caerlave rock, for Roger de Bigod, who was ill at the time, and who afterwards resigned his rod of office:

'He went with his bannere Sir Jon the Segrave,
To do alle the service that longed the office tille,
And mayntayned alle the praise ther he sauh lawe and
skille.”
PETER OF LANGTOFT

“In memory of thus holding the Marshal's baton, Lord Segrave's banner was displayed from the battlements of the castle at its capture, A.D.1300. He was afterwards sent into Scotland at the head of 20,000 men, who were signally defeated at Roslin by an inferior force under John Comyn and Simon Frazer. When the immortal patriot, William Wallace became through Monteith's treachery the captive of Edward the First, Lord Segrave, as Grand Marshal, rode by the side of the dauntless Scot when he was conveyed from the house of William Delect, citizen in Fenchurch Street, to Westminster Hall for his trial.”

An alphabetical dictionary of coats of arms belonging to families in Great ...‎ - Page 164
by John Woody Papworth - History - 1874

Gu. three lions pass. Guard.in pale or a label of three (sometimes of five) points arg. Le Conte Mareschall, Y, i.e. Thomas (of Brotherton) PLANTAGENET, Earl of Norfolk and Suffolk 1312, Marshall 1315, ob. 1338, fifth son of Edward I, V; Z, 205; and his daughter Margaret (PLANTAGENET) Marshal, Countess of Norfolk, Lady of Segrave, created Duchess of Norfolk,1397, ob. 1399; from her marriage with John Lord Segrave descended Elizabeth Segrave, wife of John Lord Mowbray, whose son, Thomas Mowbray, Earl of Nottingham 1382, Earl Marshal 1385, and Duke of Norfolk 1397, ob. 1400, assumed as Le C. Maryschall Sr. de Mowbray, S. quartering gu.a lion ramp. Arg. This coat, which was carried by his second and third successors, Dukes of Norfolk, until his inheritance was divided between the heirs of his daughters, who m. Howard and Berkeley.


Reference handbook for readers, students, and teachers of English history‎ - Page 29
by E. Henry Gurney - 1890

Thomas Plantagenet (Brotherton), Earl of Norfolk, Son of Edward I. Created Earl in 1309. Married, 1st Alice, daughter of Sir Roger Halys. 2Nd, Mary, daughter of William, Lord Roos. Died 1339
Issue:
1.Margaret, married, 1st, Lord John Segrave; 2nd, Sir Walter de Mauney; no issue by Sir Walter. Her daughter Elizabeth married John Mowbrey, who was slain in the Holy Land 1369. Her second daughter, Anne, married John de Hastings, Earl of Pembroke.
2.Alice, married Edward de Montecute
3.Edward Plantagenet, married Beatrice, daughter of Roger Mortimer.Edward died before his father. No issue.

An annotated index of medieval women‎ - Page 310
by Anne Echols, Marty Williams -1992

Margaret Marshall, countess of Norfolk
[Margaret Brotherton; Segrave; Plantagenet]

m.1338—d.c. 1399
Daughter of Thomas Brotherton, earl of Norfolk and marshal of England (d.1338). Married John de Segrave (d. 1353) who became earl of Norfold in Margaret's right. Her second husband was Walter Mauny (Walter de Many; d. 1372). Margaret inherited vast estates, was politically active, and was noted for her donations to various religious establishements. In 1397, she was created duchess in her own right.

I found a description of the windows at the sides of the Great Hall of Hampden Court palace. See photo above

“These are thirteen in number, each consisting of eight lights; the space of what be the fourteenth window is occupied by the great south bay window. Six of them set forth the pedigrees of Henry VIII's six wives who all traced descent from Edward I, with their badges, arms, and legends.

The new guide to the royal palace of Hampton Court: With a new catalogue of ...‎ - Page 84
by Ernest Philip Alphonse Law -- 1893

The intermediate seven windows are occupied with the heraldic badges and “beasts” of Henry VIII—The Lion, the Portcullis, the Fleur-de-Lys, the Tudor Rose, the Red Dragon of the House of York, the White Greyhound of the House of Lancaster; and with the cyphers H.R., etc., and mottoes “Dieu et mon Droit,” and “Dne. Salvum Fac Reg.” ….

Third Window (South side). “Anne Bullen, 2nd wife of King Henry ye Eighth, her pedigree from King Edward ye First and his 2nd wife, Margaret of France.--King Edward ye 1st married 2nd, Margaret of France—Thomas, Earl of Norfolk, married Alice Halys—John, Lord Segrave, married Margaret de Brotherton—John, Lord Mowbray, married Elizabeth Segrave—Thomas, Duke of Norfolk, married Elizabeth Fitzalan—Syr Robert Howard married Margaret Mowbray—John, Duke of Norfolk, married Catherine Molyns—Thomas, Duke of Norfolk, married Elizabeth Tylney—Thomas, Earl of Wiltshire, married Elizabeth Howard—Anne Bullen, daughter of Thomas, Earl of Wiltshire.”



This lineage is the same as mine up to Elizabeth FitzAlan.


Annals of Chepstow Castle, or, Six centuries of the Lords of Striguil from ...‎ - Page xv
by John Fitchett Marsh - 1883

In the Inquisition taken at Chepstow 12th February 46 Edward III (1371-2), on the death of Walter de Manny, Chivaler, deceased, it was found that on the day of his death he held the castle and lordship of Strugull in the Marches of Wales, adjoining the county of Gloucester and the manor of Tudenham with the advowson of the Church of la Cante (Lancaut) as of the right and inheritance of Margaret his wife, still living, held of the King in capite by homage and fealty. And the jurors say the castle and lordship of Strugull are worth per annum in all issues L70, and the manor of Tudenham with the advowson of la Caute are worth per annum in all issues, according to the true value of the same, L50; and they say that the said Walter died 8th January last past and that Margaret his widow is the next heir and is aged forty years and more.

In another Inquisition taken 4th February, 46 Edward III, it is found that he died 15th January 45 Edward III (1371-2)

Alice FitzAlan and John/Stephen De Segrave

Alice FitzAlan, born in 1314 in Arundel Castle, died on 20 January 1385/86 in Knockin near Oswestry. She was the daughter of Alice De Warenne and Edmund FitzAlan. She died 7 Feb 1340. The Dictionary of National Biography says she married Bohun, Earl of Hereford as does John Burke.

FOUNDATION FOR MEDIEVAL GENEALOGY HAS ALICE AS DAUGHTER OF RICHARD FITZALAN WHOM OTHER SOURCES NAME AS HER GRANDFATHER.
"Her existence is proved by (1) Calendar of Inquisitiones post mortem[66] which states that the wardship of two parts of a messuage in Upton, Shropshire was "in the hands of Alesia the said Earl's daughter by his gift" and (2) the registers of Chaucombe Priory[67] which note that Alice's brother Edmund Earl of Arundel settled property on her and her husband Stephen de Segrave and also give Alice's date of death"


She married John (Stephen) De Segrave, 3rd Lord Segrave of Westhatch, Wiltshire, Bretby in Repton, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, Chaucombe, Northamptonshire, Stiveschale, Thurlaston in Dunchurch, Warwickshire, and North Piddle, Worcestershire. He died in1324-1325. He was the son of John De Segrave and Christine De Plessy or Plessets.

John was Constable of the Tower of London and predeceased his father, dying in Gascony.

He was granted letters of protection to travel in Scotland in 1305, 1307, and 1322. In 1314 he took prisoners to Scotland to exchange for his father John, who had been captured at Bannockburn. He was granted Stottesden Hundred in Shropshire for life in 1318. He supported Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, and was pardoned for it in 1318. In 1323 Roger de Mortimer escaped from the Tower of London, which Stephen was Constable of and he was held responsible for it. His father had to put up 10,000 pounds as a bond to have him pardoned for misdemeanors in 1324. Also in that year he traveled to Gascony on business for the king and died while there. He was buried at Chaucombe Priory.

The Index Library
By British Record Society

Inquisition made at New Sarum before Richard le Wayte, the King's escheator in divers counties, 8th January,
19 Edward II [1327], by the oath of Roger de Colynburne, Walter dc
Stanle, John de Briguerd, Thomas de Haumbere, Hugh de Nuprude,
John Rayne, John atte Watere, William de Colynburne, Gilbert Gouschl,
John Gousche, John Bulkenap, and John alte Forde, who say that
Stephen de Segrave and Alice, his wife, held jointly in their
demesne as of fee, on the day the said Stephen died, the manor of
Westhatch, from the Abbess of Shaftesbury in chief, by the senvice
of 9 marks payable yearly to the said Abbess at her abbey of
Shaftesbury at Christmas, Easter, the Nativity of St. John the Baptist,
and Michaelmas, in equal portions, for all service, by feoffment of
John de Segrave, father of the said Stephen, who gave the said manor
to the said Stephen and Alice, and the heirs of Stephen. '
There is there one chief messuage, with a curtilage, which are
worth yearly 3s 4d. ; and the rent of 8 free tenants, each of whom
holds one messuage and one virgate of land, and pays 8s. yearly at
the above said terms in equal portions, 33s 4d and there is I Ib. of
pepper arising from the rent of one free tenant, who holds one
virgate of land, payable at Michaelmas, price l2d. ; and the rent of
7 bond tenants, two of whom each hold £ virgate and pay 6.?. 8d.
yearly, and five hold each 5 acres, and pay 4^. yearly at the same
terms in equal portions, 33^. ^d. There is of chershett of the same
7 bond tenants 7 cocks and 7 hens, payable at Martinmas, worth
3^. i\d., the price of a cock ?rent of 1 8 cottars, each of whom holds one cottage and one curtilage,
and pays yearly at the same terms 2s. in equal portions, 36^. Also
the works of the 5 bond tenants and 18 cottars are worth in the
Summer 2s. 1jworth yearly $$s., the price of the acre $d. ; and 1 1 acres of meadow
worth yearly 18s., the price of the acre 18pasture worth yearly 2s.
John de Segrave, son of the said Stephen, is his heir, and is aged
1 o years.
Chan. Inq. p.m., 19 Edward II, No. 91.


Antiquities of Shropshire‎ - Page 151
by Robert William Eyton - 1857

Before I proceed with any account of the new Lords of Stottesden, it will be fitting to trace to its extinction the male line of De Gamages. Godfrey succeeded his father at Cotesmore, in Rutlandshire, and at Mansel Gamages, and other estates in Herefordshire and in Wales. He died in 1253, and I find an order to the King's Escheators to seize his lands, dated Oct. 2, of that year. Also in the same month, Alda, his widow, was suing John de Plessetis for a third of the manor of Stottesden, which she claimed as her dower. The cause was adjourned to Hilary Term following, but the litigated land being apparently seized into the King's hand, John de Plessetis moves the Court to reinstate him at once therein. This was probably done, either immediately or eventually, for I cannot suppose that Alda's claim was ever allowed. Godfrey de Gamages left three daughter and coheirs, viz. Elizabeth, Lucia, and Eufemia. Elizabeth appears to have been married to Henry de Pembruge, Junior, previous to April 20, 1254, when I find her, her husband, and her two sisters, jointly impleading one Richard de Tunderley for the lad of Trewarn, which, being a member of that Honour of Boghred late held in capite by Godfrey de Gamages, had been wrested from the said Godfrey by the said Richard de Tunderley, under the false pretence that it was a member of the Honour of Castle Matilda in Elvein.

On May 10, 1254, we find, as I have before related, that Henry de Pembruge,Senior, purchased from the King the marriages of Lucia and Eufemia de Gamages, for two of his other sons. The ladies were taken from the custody of Margery de Lacy, who I suppose had them in ward by reason of their late father's tenure at Mansel Gamages. I have also before alluded to another claim of two of these coheiresses, viz. Elizabeth and Euphemia, who, in 1263, were endeavouring once more to recover Stottesden from Hugh, son and heir of John de Plessetis above mentioned. Their claim ws unsuccessful, as the sequel will show.

It remains therefore to state that Lucia, the third coheiress,had probably deceased in the interval, without issue; and that the descendants of Henry and William de Pembruge, husbands respectively of Elizabeth and Eufemia de Gamages, represent that family of almost baronial rank, whose connection with Stottesden here ceases, but whose history as lords of Tong, I have already continued to a much later era.

We now return to John de Plessetis, the powerful and fortunate favourite of Henry III, and whose title to Stottesden was evidently framed in disregard of the better claims of hereditary descent. His history, as sometime Earl of Warwick, I need not dwell upon here. In the year following that in which Stottesden was given to him conditionally, he obtained a grant thereof in fee and inheritance, with all its liberties and appurtenances. In 28 Hen. III (1243-4) he had a grant of Market here, to be held weekly on Tuesdays, and a fair to be held annually on the eve, the day, and the morrow of the Assumption (August 14, 15, 16), together with the privilege of Free Warren.

The jurors of Stottesden Hundred, relating in1255 the status of this manor, said that "it was an escheat of the Lord King of the Land of the Normans, which Sir John de Plessy holds in capite of the King, who is enfeoffed in the same vill by Royal Charter, and for service of half a knight's fee. Therein are III hides of land, and they were used to be geldable, but now are not so, by Charter which the said John hath from the King: and he (John) hath withdrawn himself from suits of Hundred Courts, and from other things implied by the term geldable, these nineteen years past; wherby the King is damaged at the rate of L1 per annum, or L19 in all." The jurors also said that "Sir John de Plessy had a franchise in the vill of Stottesden, and had withdrawn himself from every kind of suit." They also reported how two hounds of Philip De Farlawe's having entered the warren of John de Plessy, but caught nothing therein, the said Philio had paid 4s. recompense to Henry de Chippenham, the Seneschal of Stottesden.

John de Plessetis was at this time Earl of Warwick; but for the mode in which he acquired and held that title I must refer elsewhere: at the Shropshire Assizes of January, 1256, he is so styled in two instances; the first, where he recovers the person and chattels of Robert de Bollisword, his native or villain, who he had previously sued for in the county court; the second, where Gilbert de Mitleton,having against him a suit of novel disseizen concerning a tenement in Stokes, retracts the same.

John de Plessetis, Earl of Warwick,died on February 26, 1263. The heir of himself and his first wife, Christiana de Sandford, was Hugh de Plessetis, aged twenty six years at his father's death. In April following this Hugh had livery of the manor of "Suttesdon" (read Stottesdon) "as a tenure in capite, by service of one knight's fee," his relief thereon being 100s. He had also livery of other lands inherited from his mother. He married Isabella, one of three coheirs of Philippa Bassett, sometime Countess of Warwick, and on Nov. 29, 1265, had livery of his said wife's estate. In 54 Hen. III (1269-70) Hugh de Plessetis gave the manor of Stottesden, in frank marriage with Christiana his infant daughter, to John, son of Nicholas de Segrave, which John seems at the time to have been about fourteen years of age. The jurors of Stottesden Hundred reported this transfer at the Assizes of September 1272, adding that it was without the King's consent. They also reported John de Segrave to be then seized thereof; but among the defaulters in their Hundred appears the name of Nicholas de Segrave, as though the father were accountable for the suit and service due from Stottesden while the son was in minority. At the Inquisition of Stottesden Hundred, taken in Novembrf, 1274, the jurors traced accurately the descent of this manor from John de Plessetis to Hugh de Plessetis. The alienation thereof by the latter they also dated in 1270, and explained that Nicholas de Segrave was to hold Stottsden for his life. This however he did not do; for though he himself lived till 1295, his son John ws in 1277 fully seized of Stottesden. There was a Military Summons returnable at Worcester on July 1 of the latter year, and John de Segrave responded thereto by acknowledging the service of one knight's fee in Stottesden, performable by himself and John Mallore, his serving man. The Feodary of 1284 consistently reports that "John de Segrave and Christiana his wife hold the manor of Stotresdon for one knight's fee of the King,in capite."

At the Assizes of 1292 the jurors of this Hundred said that John de Segrave claimed free warren in Stottesden; also to hold his free court there twice in the year, and decide all such pleas as the sheriff ordinarily decided; also the privilege of assizing bread and beer. Being questioned, as it seems, for his authority to exercise these franchises, John de Segrave pleaded the Grant of King Henry III of the manor and its liberties to John de Plessetis and his heirs. At the time of that grant, said he, the King held the two annual courts in question. As to assizing bread and beer, that was further justified and implied by the Grant of Market given to the same John de Plessetis by the same king. Hugh de Lowther (the Crown Attorney) hereupon started a favourite objection of his in such cases, viz. that a grant to John de Plessetis and his heirs could not extend to the present defendant, who was not his heir. The result was a reference of the matter to the next Parliament.

The Feodory of March, 1316, gives John de Segrave as Lord of Stottesden. He died in 18 Edw. II (1324-5), seized inter alia of this manor. His son Stephen had obtained, four years previously, a grant of the Hundred of Stottesden for life. He died in the same year, and apparently in the same foreign service as his aged father. The heir of both was John, son of the said Stephen, which
John was then in minority; but of him I need say no more. His career,as well as many other incidents in the fortunes of the great baronial house which he represented are the subject of a nobler and fuller record.

Some people believe that she belonged to her grandfather, Richard FitzAlan. I found a post on GEN-MEDIEVAL mailing list that says:

For evidence that Earl Richard had a such a daughter, Alice (or Alesia), see Calendar of IPM, 4 (1915):39, where she is specifically named. For evidence that Stephen de Segrave's wife, Alice, was Alice de Arundel, see Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 5th ser., 9 (1935-37), pg. 166, which in turn cites the Register of Chaucombe Priory. This article also cites other evidence which links Alice,wife of Stephen de Segrave, to the Fitz Alan/Arundel family of
Shropshire.

Some researchers equate her with Edmund FitzAlan's daughter Aline who married Roger le Strange. If Aline and Alice are one in the same, then she had three husbands
1. John De Bohun; 2. Roger le Strange; 3. John De Segrave.

They had children:

1.John Segrave, 4th Baron, married Margaret Plantagenet,Duchess of Norfolk
2.Eleanor
Royal ancestors of Magna charta barons: including ancestry of John Talbot ...‎ - Page 101
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